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	<title>Comments on: Rumsfeld</title>
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	<description>thoughts of michael xiaoquan zhang professor at hkust</description>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikezhang.com/2006/04/21/rumsfeld#comment-5367</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, this is a cute example of empiricism outplaying logic. ;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, this is a cute example of empiricism outplaying logic. ;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikezhang.com/2006/04/21/rumsfeld#comment-5296</link>
		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 02:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good one.  :-)

What about those who don&#039;t know they know?  These should be rarer than the first type.  An example I can give is about my daughter.

Her favorate TV channels are 23 and 31 (both PBS kids and WGBH), when she turns on the TV, she would ask shall I push &quot;up&quot; or push &quot;down&quot;.  I usually tell her:&quot;it depends on where you are&quot;.  But if she remembers that last time she reached 31 by pushing &quot;up&quot;, she would just be pushing &quot;up&quot;.  Of course she has been right all the time since as long as you push &quot;up&quot;, you will reach the channel you want.

I know she can count up and count down, so she should know how to reach the desired channel most efficiently.  In this case, she DOES NOT KNOW SHE KNOWS.  Then I figured out a way to teach her: &quot;we are living on the 27th floor, if you want to go to 23rd floor to visit your friends, should you press up or down?&quot;  She has no problem to answer this question.  Then the next time when she needs to find channel 23, I would ask her:&quot;think about the elevator example, now we are in 31st floor, should you press up or down to go to 23rd floor?&quot;

She answers:&quot;for elevator I press down, but for TV, I press up, &#039;cause I can find 23 by pressing &#039;up&#039; each time&quot;.

She has a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good one.  <img src='http://blog.mikezhang.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What about those who don&#8217;t know they know?  These should be rarer than the first type.  An example I can give is about my daughter.</p>
<p>Her favorate TV channels are 23 and 31 (both PBS kids and WGBH), when she turns on the TV, she would ask shall I push &#8220;up&#8221; or push &#8220;down&#8221;.  I usually tell her:&#8221;it depends on where you are&#8221;.  But if she remembers that last time she reached 31 by pushing &#8220;up&#8221;, she would just be pushing &#8220;up&#8221;.  Of course she has been right all the time since as long as you push &#8220;up&#8221;, you will reach the channel you want.</p>
<p>I know she can count up and count down, so she should know how to reach the desired channel most efficiently.  In this case, she DOES NOT KNOW SHE KNOWS.  Then I figured out a way to teach her: &#8220;we are living on the 27th floor, if you want to go to 23rd floor to visit your friends, should you press up or down?&#8221;  She has no problem to answer this question.  Then the next time when she needs to find channel 23, I would ask her:&#8221;think about the elevator example, now we are in 31st floor, should you press up or down to go to 23rd floor?&#8221;</p>
<p>She answers:&#8221;for elevator I press down, but for TV, I press up, &#8217;cause I can find 23 by pressing &#8216;up&#8217; each time&#8221;.</p>
<p>She has a point.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikezhang.com/2006/04/21/rumsfeld#comment-5284</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 18:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---------- says Dr. T. Vilis  to his students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- says Dr. T. Vilis  to his students.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
		<link>http://blog.mikezhang.com/2006/04/21/rumsfeld#comment-5283</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 17:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;known knowns and unknown unknowns&#039;: This is an interesting one. It reminds me of something that I came across the other day:

There are three types of people in the world. 

Those who know (a very rare breed). 
Those who know they don&#039;t know. 
Those who don&#039;t know they don&#039;t know. 

At the very least, you will be moving up to category 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;known knowns and unknown unknowns&#8217;: This is an interesting one. It reminds me of something that I came across the other day:</p>
<p>There are three types of people in the world. </p>
<p>Those who know (a very rare breed).<br />
Those who know they don&#8217;t know.<br />
Those who don&#8217;t know they don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>At the very least, you will be moving up to category 2.</p>
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